Coaching testimonial

The following is a coaching testimonial from a client in Australia. He was kind enough to write a separate piece which is viewable on the forum (see image).

Most of my daygame coaching now is quite selective. I generally only work with men where I can say to myself ‘I’ve been there, so I think I have a pretty good idea how to get you out of there‘. I have one additional place open for 1-1 coaching – immediate response – lead management, texting, on-date advice (real time). I can put interested guys in touch with my clients who will show how my support has led to +1s plucked from the jaws of defeat – girls about to leave with their Uber showing up in 1m, through to dead leads converted to +1s – the whole range. Don’t take my word for it – ask them. Anyway, to the feedback.

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There’s very few people that are respectable and intelligent men in the Gameosphere. Since the sunset of the days of Krauser and Torero, Daygame has been a repeat wasteland since about 2020. One of the worthwhile emerging voices has been Brooding Sea. Who is Brooding Sea? You might ask. Broody is a daygamer from the London Daygame Model sect. He started daygame in 2019 in his late 30s eventually moving from practitioner to teacher. Every cunt graduates from student to coach these days but I believe Broody is one of the few who actually have earned the right. He’s only blokes in the daygame scene who has “lived in experience” as an older bloke chasing and getting success with younger women. Not just flings but long-term relationships. You can his legitimacy it for yourself through his writing on his blog.

After reading his book in the middle of 2024, I finally made contact before the close of this year. I had some meta-questions I wanted to ask. Pre-call Questions and Notes Prior to the call, I wrote up a list of questions, a rundown of what I’m thinking, and a brief “about me.” Below is the cleaned-up and GPT-summarised version of what I sent through:

A brief about me: I’m in my early 30s and slightly overweight. I’ve dabbled in game on and off for almost a decade, so I’m familiar with the fundamentals and have real on-the-ground experience. I know the deal. I’m not trying to be an MPUA or rack up huge numbers. My real aim is to find a young woman to start a family with—ideally someone traditional—though I recognise the idealised version (the 18-year-old virgin) may not be realistic.

Current Life Priorities. First priority: health. I’m mildly out of shape and want to fix it over the next 6–12 months because it affects both confidence and competitiveness in the dating market. Second priority: finances. I’m catching up due to past setbacks and working a heavy roster in mining to stack cash for a house deposit (good luck in Australia) within 6–9 months. o Third priority: career. I want long-term stability over women and travel.

Game is still important. I want to build charisma, confidence, lifestyle value, and a strong personal vision to make younger dating viable. I also want enough skill to win over her social circle and family.

Questions

Can you provide feedback on this overall perspective and long-term plan toward marriage, and whether my expectations are grounded? Furthermore, is it realistic for an older man to date younger women in the “elite age cohort,” especially in Australia where younger girls seem unreceptive to daygame?

Is an age-gap LTR genuinely achievable, and what expectations should I have?

How should I handle social pushback—from family, the left, and even conservative circles—that tends to judge age-gap dating?

Other Notes. I’m open to a few casual encounters along the way if time allows. I have no intention of settling abroad. I’d prefer an Australian partner for cultural and practical reasons. This means I’m working within the constraints of an Australian / Western dating pool.

Call Objective. Make initial contact and directly connect. Establish ongoing support from an older guy who understands the game. Set goals and have someone keeping an eye on my progress so I don’t drift off track. Get answers to my questions and feedback on my perspective.

Notes from the Call

We lined up UK / Sydney time zones and jumped on the call. I didn’t record or run notes (you should always tell your host if you do), which I slightly regret because the call was packed with insight. Instead, I jotted notes in a plain text file, and later cleaned them up, clarified them, and added some of my own reflections to flesh out the points:

When it comes to getting and dating younger women, even for very good daygamers, it’s hard and frustrating. As an older guy, sustaining the energy for two or three years of chasing is extremely difficult — the late nights, drinking twice a week, the emotional dropouts, the flaking — it takes a toll. It’s hard to keep up.

For LTRs, it doesn’t matter how serious the older guy is; most young girls simply aren’t. Even if they like you, there are social barriers: they won’t take you home to their parents, they won’t take you to the student bar, and most older men who succeed with younger women do so “in the shadows.” Even Broody doesn’t personally know anyone who’s successfully LTR’d a young, very attractive girl — let alone the mythical “18-year-old virgin.” Younger girls are in an escape-growth phase. With age gaps, there’s an energy mismatch — both in literal lifestyle terms and in perspective/worldview. Even if you do date an 18–21-year-old, reality kicks in after 12 months. Their minds and desires evolve quickly. You can see it in real time. Young girls change dramatically in a single year. Chasing younger women has a twofold danger: they’re hard to meet, and longterm longevity is unlikely. If I didn’t want to settle down, I could “run the Ponzi scheme”: spend my early 30s getting success with younger women, but the success is mostly age dependent. Eventually, you hit the age event horizon where landing younger women for a serious relationship becomes extremely difficult. You might keep getting casual results, but long-term prospects decline with age. Tradcon online rhetoric reinforces the myth that older men can reliably find young, chaste/virgin girls. That world is gone. Even “trad” 18–23-year-olds aren’t serious about settling down. The majority of young girls change over 3–4 years. Their values and life direction shift significantly. You see the shift from 19 to 20 in real time. A realistic, smart age target for a long-term relationship that can actually last is around 24/25. 3SR Shaun Michael told me the same thing in mid 2024 – “18yr olds are all about experience. That’ll derail you. Distract you. A man on his mission should be looking for a 24/25 year old.” I dismissed him in annoyed disgust, figured he was looking at it too much from his older perspective, and didn’t know it all. How dare he go against PUA / Red Pill dogma. Also, what was the point of Game if you can’t get a sub 23yr old? I pressed him, “what about somewhere in Eastern Europe or a more traditional girl?”. “There is no more traditional.” I didn’t like that either. However, observing reality and introspecting over the year gone by, and cross-checking realistic standards with Broody, Shaun would be proved right in his statements. Shaun is usually right. This is why it’s good to have more than one mentor.

In the UK, there are a lot of low-value men who think physique alone is everything. Regarding a 12-month plan that keeps open the possibility of meeting a solid Eastern European girl: Broody recommended learning some Russian beyond pleasantries, getting in real shape, and making as much money as possible for a trip abroad. Go to Minsk or Belarus — you genuinely have a better chance of meeting a girlfriend there than in the UK or Australia. I asked whether distance (Australia to Europe) would cause family issues and limit future support. Broody said yes — you’d likely have to return once or twice per year — but if you want a genuinely sweet girl, it may be worth it. I still think burdening oneself with these future family expenses and logistical issues is a bad idea as well as eliminating in-law support for a man’s family. Whatever increase in the quality of girl can’t overrule these inconveniences. Also, in the spirit of patriotism if I’m Australian shouldn’t my partner be Australian, no? I’m not rigid on this. I’ll to EE. Have a look and still be open to possibility. It’s entirely possible to go to Eastern Europe, meet a girl, develop it long distance, and see where it goes. You might fall in love. It’s not guaranteed, but it’s possible — even with extreme logistics. I brought up the collapsing West, patriotism, and my desire to do certain things before settling down. I wondered whether I should avoid a Europe trip and save every dollar. Should I prioritise a house deposit instead? Broody’s advice: life is to be lived. You need certain experiences before you settle down. Only you can answer the specifics, but not everything can be pure efficiency. Take a chance. My interpretation: if I’m financially secure enough, it’s worth allowing myself to spend a bit on something meaningful. Broody warned against looking at life through a purely functional lens. Don’t use “priority” as an excuse. Many guys justify inaction by hiding behind priorities — it’s a weasel. Confront this early. Don’t let priorities become a weasel-word excuse to delay action. Life is not linear — you don’t need everything sorted before starting. Over the next 6 months, get back into daygame. Don’t wait. You could easily meet a solid Australian girl. You never know what might happen. Keep options open.

Expect to do 1000–1500 approaches before meeting someone you’ll actually settle down with. Ironically, the main priority is working on yourself. If you don’t feel confident in yourself, you won’t be happy and girls will sense it. Get greedy for the goal. On my FIFO (mining) week: take one day to relax at the start, one at the end, and dedicate three solid days to daygame. Invest in it. Have some future projection — trips you want to take, places you want to go. Crudely put: “have some trips and go fuck some women.” Travel flings are consequence-free and don’t aƯect your home reputation. Not everything needs to be serious. There’s nothing stopping this from being a 2-year plan. Feel the loosening of pressure. Keep the end goal in mind, but imagine your future self tapping you on the shoulder.

Even Krauser, now 50, has had to loosen his expectations. He once imagined finding an 18-year-old village girl to marry. Now he’s realistically looking at 24/25 — and that’s still a massive age gap.

I commented that the call felt very meta, but Broody reassured me that these are extremely important questions — the technical game stuff is far easier. Many guys reach out asking the same things. If you have even an inkling of wanting a family, don’t waste years chasing insipid sex with 19-year-olds (young girls in general).

What takes Broody two months of work in the UK can be done in two weeks in Poland. The entire process — meeting, dating, closing — is far harder in Western countries, and the quality is far higher in Eastern Europe. Less work for a better result.

Closing Thoughts

On one hand, a lot of this advice is the kind of “obvious stuff” I normally make fun of people paying for — the same surface-level points you see those wannabe advice YouTube channels make. Reading some of it back actually reminded me of a bit in Bodi PUA’s (another big LDM name) book where he watches Torero run a “coaching call” with some kid, and Tom just goes “mmm” and asks a few probing ping-back questions. Bodi says, “Tom was right. That was easy!” An easy way to make a quick 200 bucks. People often just want support and encouragement. In saying that, my call with Broody wasn’t like that at all. I sent in some questions beforehand and Broody did most of the talking. He offered a mix of unique insights and what felt like obvious-but-needed feedback (most advice looks obvious when read– and probably is).

The thing is, it really does matter who you hear it from. In an era of awful PUA content, manosphere rackets, and pseudo–neo-conservative “tradcon” nonsense, your expectations can become detached from reality. For example, without this conversation, how many years would I have wasted — and how much pressure would I have put on myself — believing it was realistic to chase a sub-23 LTR, let alone something silly like the mythological 18-year-old virgin. Or take the point about actually living a little — taking a gamble on a Europe trip, letting that feed into self-confidence, and not viewing life through a purely functional lens. Again, some of this is obvious but you’re stuck in your own head trying to work it all out hearing it from someone credible helps.