What are beginner, intermediate and advanced daygamers?

Let’s start at the beginning

A beginner daygamer is someone who has three observable traits:

1. Approach anxiety to a level that stunts and deforms the interaction. It’s their go-to mindset. Rooted in the fear of rejection as well as relying on largely scripted routine, or crude attempts at verbal attraction. They exist in their heads.

2. Difficulty conforming to the London Daygame Model (I’ll elaborate more in beginners problems below) or behaviour that rigidly conforms to the London Daygame Model (both of these are issues).

3. SMV limitations (both plastic and permanent). Most of this is pre-determined through your latent normalcy, your ick-factor or fuckable factor and equally importantly – your age and presentation. Great game (both in-set and post-set) helps with this and can close this gap between Hard No’s and Soft Maybe’s (see below) but to me it’s quite obvious that beginner daygamers are being convinced by shitty coaches to avoid the elephant in the room – which is themselves. Many guys get stuck in the beginner stage simply because their starting SMV has no improvement strategy – it’s all about vibe, volume and learning the model. Unless you are prepared to confront some harsh truths – and just as importantly – work with someone who will intelligently discuss your SMV improvement areas with you – you will always likely exist some way off the dateability radar from the women you innately want. There is a healthy caveat to this – which is dating just below, or near to your SMV ecology (but isn’t the point of Game to avoid this, Broody?, I hear you ask) well, yes it is. But the dirty little secret truth is that most daygamers actually have little to no game because their results are due to factors unrelated to the extent of their ego-driven belief in their daygame skills. Before I expand on why, let’s explore a related issue.

On traditional coaching bullshit trope

I do not count the number of sets an apprentice must “hack through” as a meaningful measure to mark the transitional stages between Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced whatsoever. 30 shit sets a week is 30 shit sets a week and it always will be. Sullenly plodding on may get the novice daygamer an online medal in X’s spergy metric club (ooo I hit my 1000th set this week but have had fuck all to show for it) but that’s about it. More sets does not lead to linear upward trending advancement. The other unpalatable and quietly ignored truth is this: I have seen many men with low SMV and half decent game get far worse results over 1000+ sets than higher SMV men with shit game who achieved far better results over a couple hundred sets. Now I wonder why that is (clue – I’ve been saying it for years: age-cohort dating with a lower or equal value exchange).

Most of these guys are doing fuck all of any note when you spend time with them as I have, quietly watching and listening to them. Digressions aside, it’s a fools errand to think you will pass these nonsensical progression stages if you ‘just do more sets bro’.

Beginners Mistakes. What are they?

This is not a comprehensive list. But let’s look at a couple of important ones. The beginner daygamer delegates all of the work to the girl – e.g. asking what, why, when questions, does weird kino routines, has no ability to actively listen, topic skips, has terrible body language, zero appreciable non-verbals, thinks attraction is all verbal, poor eye contact, gamey/clichey/nervous, canned and gamey rote lines, outcome is the close etc. The list goes on. They are process monkeys and worryingly rely on coping strategies of Vibe and State – the two biggest handicaps and synthetic daygame cope drugs ever created in this industry.

What is an intermediate daygamer?

I should add that many of these beginner daygamer mistakes touched on above are just as prevalent here within this typology, but in terms of progression, an intermediate daygamer is someone who no longer experiences approach anxiety to any significant degree, follows the model naturally, but who can step outside of its constraints from time to time. This is the domain of 50% of daygamers I have met: guys in their late 20s and 30s, often better looking and more ‘normal’ (a good thing) than they portray on their X accounts. Overwhelmingly, these men aren’t really doing any game with a capital G – they are following the model and seeking out Yes Girls, age-matched girls, and SMV-matched girls + have a decent escalation strategy + developing the skill not to fuck up. This is the dirty little secret the majority of these men brush over (every London-based/Brit daygamer I have met, for example). Some of these daygamers are (quite understandably) not going after the hotter women – perhaps out of intimidation as much as a lower bar of what a 7 is. To be charitable, perhaps they are often looking for a relationship match and place a broader spread on non-physical attributes so are prepared to approach the type of women the advanced daygamer (in his pathology) would not approach. This is the intermediates blessing and the advanced daygamers curse. This I will restate again is an extremely charitable interpretation because so few of them seem to end up in relationships. It’s a one and done philosophy. They know they aren’t hitting summits.

So in short there is no time-served or sets-needed metric to reach this intermediate stage. Some guys can be teleported in there practically immediately. It is usually a function of their starting SMV partnered with a confidence of following the London Daygame Model and not fucking up. But, as I have said – in terms of their results it is almost invariably an equal value exchange with 7s dating 7s – never an 8 or a 9 (certainly never with any consistency). They are never turning Maybe Girls into Yes Girls. Their success is almost exclusively with Yes Girls. I have coached many guys, traditional 6s and 7s, that I have turned into an intermediate daygamer within 3 days of meeting them – all of them getting results in daygame and many of them getting laid within their first 50 sets (I can put you in touch with at least 10 guys on Telegram to support this claim).

What is an advanced daygamer?

This is someone operating beyond a model that they have built and customised for themselves. It is no longer a recipe for making a cup of tea replete with simple, repeatable stages. It is all about emotional shifts and possibility – insane levels of creativity, fast thinking, risk taking, intrigue, trust, fascination, compulsion. These daygamers can think laterally, creatively and understand the importance of eliciting attraction through a multi-front experience. Process and models don’t really exist anymore (save for the open and the close). They are able to turn a Soft No into Maybe Girls and Maybe Girls into Yes Girls. Typically they have a body of consistent results with the most attractive/desired women between 18-24 – and it is underpinned by a pathological desire to satisfy their deeper desire to live indulgently, to satisfy their own validation needs, or a high sex drive coupled with the excitement of conquering limiting beliefs and impossible challenges. They have experience dating the higher end of beauty – think legitimate fashion models, athletes, online thots with shit tones of options, high end club girls, genuine good girls/virgins etc. A lot of their lays are clear victories in higher weight classes – to borrow the time-worn boxing metaphor. They are consistent in their daygame and able to convert daygame sets into strong leads from the get go – they have an uncanny knack for drawing girls into their emotional orbit and regularly create a micro-date climate in-set.

And here is the other thing. The advanced daygamer is meticulous (or pays lip service to it) about improving his SMV and developing his sense of self and being confident with who they are. They are competitive, intelligent, opinionated quite unusual beasts (think your very own Broody and Krauser in this regard). They are often a mixed bag of masculine/creative/funny (try understand why this broader presentation is a preferable than a uni-behaviour). The ability to hold a woman to their core masculine framework and rapture them through intelligence and creative wit is as exhausting as it is rare.

Conclusions. How do we objectively know where we stand in the typology?

Beginners rarely get results on any level until they have cast off approach anxiety/learnt some process/dated close to their SMV. Beginners who get results immediately are horses dressed as unicorns with good SMV + a natural ability/tenacity to succeed. In other words, they are intermediates. The number of sets done had ZERO to do with the success of the latter. Game is not throwing shit at a wall 1000 times and hoping you create a Monet. Some guys are just competent painters.

Intermediate daygamers get age matched/SMV matched women. They are usually just regular men, with inherited thinking and inherited ideas. This isn’t a criticism (unless of course they let their ego shine and pontificate too readily, and then it’s an easy piece to bring them back down to the reality of their achievements). There are no lower-intermediate, middle-intermediate or upper-intermediate tiers despite what the shyster coaches claim. You rarely hear  intermediate daygamers, despite their success, wanting to see the girls they sleep with again. This should tell you everything. Anyone with 50+ lays who hasn’t loved two of them is dating down. Mark my words. It is EASY to coach a beginner with zero experience + approach anxiety and develop him to an intermediate level in my experience.

The beginner/intermediate Liminal Zone

This is a very important daygame twilight zone. Almost quantum in character. Quite often intermediate daygamers return to beginner daygamers (from a results perspective) when they go after the elite cohort. Conversely, beginner daygamers can become intermediate daygamers if they date equal to, or below their SMV.

Advanced daygamers are the unicorns. I think some of it is pre-determined: its the sum total of a life lived, dark turns and self made improvements. Time shapes the man. They are non-linear in set. They operate emotionally, looking for feeling and not box-checking script. They understand the weirdness of female attraction and how it works. They regularly get results with higher SMV women than themselves. In other words, they are winning the SMV value exchange. It is not unusual for them to form loving relationships with these women way outside what is typical or considered normal in society (think non looks-matched with age-gap dating). They are the ones who go full immersion and become obsessive about learning. Forming new ideas. Dropping the ego. Testing things. Their actions are dictated by excitement and self-belief. They have an obsessive desire to succeed and to keep improving. Oh, and I also forgot – they too were a beginner daygamer, once, and they never forget their first set. We all start from the same place. Anxious. At a low point. Scarcity. But it’s always the attitude which dictates the future.

BroodingSea, August 2025

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